Asian women and BMI, plus other commentary

Susan left a comment which shows bad logical thinking (but don't be too offended Susan, most of the comments suffer from the same problem--few are as logical as the Libertarian Man of Mystery):

i'm an asian female and i have no idea whether white women are upset about the asian girl/white guy dating. it's quite common these days and none of my white girlfriends ever said anything about it.

i think it's just a matter of preference. majority of the guys i've dated post college have been white but it doesn't mean that i only exclusively want to date white guys. it just happens to have become a preference now. and as far as asian women having no breasts of curves, i think that's false b/c several of the asian women i know have them.

and what's with the generalization that asian women go for successful men while white women don't. trust me, *ALL* women are generally attracted to successful/responsible men (whatever field it might be in). Only maybe women who like drama might desire otherwise.

First of all, I want to talk about her statement, "as far as asian women having no breasts of curves, i think that's false b/c several of the asian women i know have them." Susan, we are talking generalities. Of course you can find an Asian woman that has a completely different body type than the typical Asian, but this web page has a more scientific comparison of racial body types.

Asian women have a lower mean Body Mass Index (BMI) than white women. Furthermore, the author of the cited web page also points out that Asian women, despite having a lower BMI, have a higher body fat index! A white woman I know once observed that Asian girls go from skinny to fat without any in between state. This observation is justified by the data: because Asian women tend to have less muscle mass and bone density than white women, when they gain a little bit of weight they look fat.

What body type do men prefer in women? This would seem to be heavily influenced by culture. The paintings in the art museums show that in the 17th century, men liked a fat woman. As late as the 1950s, Marilyn Monroe was considered the height of sexiness, yet she was much chunkier than the skinner actresses and models of the present.

I think that from a bio-evolutionary perspective, being extremely thin would be an indicator of poor health, so modern man's like for the skinniest women is mostly cultural. Nevertheless, men who have bought into the culture of thin may prefer Asian women. But I think most men aren't attracted to the thinnest women, they prefer a woman of median BMI for their race, or mabye slightly below the median BMI but not too much below.

Picking on some of Susan's other statements, she wrote "majority of the guys i've dated post college have been white but it doesn't mean that i only exclusively want to date white guys." Considering that there are so many single Asian me out there, that fact that she mostly dates white guys seems to me to be a pretty strong preference for white guys.

"and what's with the generalization that asian women go for successful men while white women don't." I certainly never said that being successful is a negative. But what I did say is that women of different races have different priorities. So while all women would prefer a man who was both good looking and successful, given a choice between a man who was ugly but successful, and one that was good looking but unsuccessful, I stand by my observation that a higher percentage of Asian women would pick the man who was ugly but successful.

"i have no idea whether white women are upset about the asian girl/white guy dating." People get upset with anything that intereferes with their privilege. But "asian girl/white guy" dating is much more harmful to Asian men than it is to white women, so Asian men would be the demographic group that should be most upset. Because Asians are a small minority in the United States, interracial dating is only stealing a tiny percentage of white men, but from the perspective of the Asian man, a significant percentage of Asian women are being stolen by white men.

Comments

[Karen]

People get upset with anything that intereferes with their privilege.

That is the best thing you've ever written that I've read. How about a post about (angry or otherwise) white men? (Is that subject no longer en vogue?)

[Karen]

intereferes [sic]

Except the typo. (Hit the "post" button before I noticed it.)

[Jacqueline]

Marilyn Monroe and Kate Moss both had/have a 0.7 waist:hip ratio. Studies have found that there is a universal, cross-cultural preference for women with a 0.7 waist:hip ratio. Studies have also found that women with this waist:hip ratio have the most children.

[susan]

hmmm...it's so sweet of you to take the time out to single me out and do a post about my purported "illogical arguments." you are quite the charmer.

[susan]

and anonymously at that too. you're welcome to insult me with a face attached via email.

[T'K Chong]

There is a classic and controversial article, "Is Love Colorblind?", written by Steve Sailer, which attempts to use sciences and statistics to explain the inequality in interracial dating. The paper uses Body Fat Percentage Differential to define muscularity and explain the gender gaps.

http://www.isteve.com/IsLoveColorblind.htm

The paper was written in 1997. Unfortunately, almost ten years later, it is still relevant to today's situation.

[T'K Chong]

Here is a clickable link to Steve Sailer's article:

Is Love Colorblind: While interracial marriage is increasingly accepted by whites, a surprising number of Asian men and black women are bitterly opposed. Why?

[Wendy]

Karen, LOVED the note about People get upset with anything that interferes with their privilege.

If Libertarian Man/Former Girl is white, then all the more power to him for saying that. This guy might have something to say about that too.

I'm compiling a list of some "angry ...{fill in the race or color or phenotype}". It's pretty hilarious what's out there on the Web.

My boyfriend came home and told me about a couple they found doing the dirty act in the sauna at the gym where he works. They were: a very large butch-looking blonde woman and a short Asian looking round guy. The workers at the gym found her sitting on top of him, and my bf winced when he saw the two of them walking out of the gym. We all had our theories about that!!

I'm not even going to argue about Asian women having more or less body fat--if we have more, I just want to know why it hasn't gone to the boobs? Where is it hiding, then? ? I'm just saying...something must be wrong with me...all the weight has gone to my bones, because I look skinny and weigh far too much.

[Wendy]

ahhh I see. All the weight has gone to my bum, and in some Asian women, the body fat has actually floated up to the breasts, luckily for them, and the rest are just fat, unmotivated, stereotypical women who depend on their successful, introverted (more traditional) husbands for a living. Too bad for the rest of you exotic exported girls. You're just floating through life, on body fat and a reliable husband.

That's a theory, and I accept it as such...

[T'K Chong]

Hm. Is there a point to all the circuitous ramblings of Wendy's last two messages?

Mr. Steve Sailer's paper on the subject is focused on a clear topic and is backed by logically sound arguments, carefully researched figures and statistics, and a very scientifically probable explanation.

On the other hand, Wendy's arguments are loaded with sentiments and irrelevant sarcasm. I think Wendy was somehow trying to discredit Mr. Sailer's research, but she just kept rambling aimlessly, beating around the bushes and couldn't seem to offer any valid, reasonable grounds to support her argument, if there was even one.